6 1/4 in. In response to urbanmx, this was our very first trebuchet. Lumber Leave a comment!!! This is the pin. SECOND PROBLEM Pretty nice, but you could get a lot more power by lowering your tracks by about a foot. Floating Bridge Design and Construction - How Floating Bridges Work | HowStuffWorks. And, I'm not looking to chuck this 200yds. Have to build a Treb (much smaller scale), for physics assignment - any advice, for height restrictions of 60cm (just under 24inch) and area of base 900squared cm (just under 140 square inch) - to throw golf ball minimum 100 feet - done some research and most suggest floating arm mechanism would be better option? Hi, read your comment, Need some advice please, if you don't mind. 15. Now you simply lay the 6 ft pieces across the supports, lining up the edges, and drive three of the 2.5 inch screws into through the track and into the supports. Lastly, It was built to be strong, but because of that it's a bit heavy and inflexible. May need to be made thicker on Introduction. Pulling this should make the trigger release. They keep the side-to side motion of the tracks to a minimum. 7. The ridges would sometimes catch on the heads and sometimes not. If you make the channel a lot wider, I would suggest using a wider piece of wood or strength. This way, the screws take force from top to bottom, not sideways. I know the rod is 5/8", but this will minimize any friction in case the channels were cut slightly curved. You need: Forming tube is expensive, so instead, cut a cardboard barrel into strips or tack thick cardboard onto a piece of plywood to make forms. Drive 2 screws through the drop channels and into the supports. We think that the downward throws were caused by these two heads. Once the higher edge is at the height mark you made, trace a line on the diagonal down the mitered side support. If the shot releases at the wrong time, adjust the pin angle. so i need to cut length of everything down to size. on Step 15, This is stellar. Image by Ron L. Toms. the next 3 specifically show the dimensions for the short side. Our weights were 18" diameter and 4" thick, weighing 80-90 lbs each. It would also bend out of position because of the force of the swinging projectile. Plywood also included in the arm The It's 12 feet tall with a 10 foot arm. A good way to estimate the range is to use conservation of energy. If you really want to include them, they should also be cut about 3 inches longer, until you know what to cut. You want to keep the width relatively narrow, but wide enough to accommodate whatever projectiles you plan to use. The person on the ground should pull back and down on the arm like a lever, using the guide wheel as a fulcrum. 3. The picture shows just 4 pounds of counterwieght, we added up to 10 pounds for maximum throws. Punch two holes. WebFloating Arm Trebuchet. Its 3.5 inch edge should also be 1/4" from the long edge of the 6 ft. long 1 x 6. 6. There are countless designs that are probably better. 4 years ago. (third picture on the right) RLT industries trebuchet.com The floating arm trebuchet is a counterweight siege weapon which is a modern variation of the medieval trebuchet. Although later there are more. These are the horizontal beams that are used as the track. On each piece, mark 5.5 inches (The real width of a 1 X 6) from each cut edge. (15.24 cm.) (Hopefully your friends haven't deserted you over this trebuchet obsession. I think that's it Smash many pumpkins.Note:Time was of the essence on this project. And back up at least 20 feet when firing (The sides are safest) 3. Still, I would make it a bit thicker. This will be the top. This is the only part of the trebcuhet that can vary a lot. By tightening these outside bolts, you can change the alignment of the tracks and narrow or widen the distance between the drop channels. I like things that go boom and sushi, preferably at the same time. For them to fit, I had to cut different lengths off of the diagonal supports. Put the ratio hole wherever it goes. I don't really know what I'm talking about. These will be the drop channels So, the first one is more of those charming "Extra supports." Approx 25 ft. (7.62 m)1/2 braided nylon rope your best bet is to experiment with different sling lengths and pin angles. 19. No specimens or models from medieval times survive. The first 5 pictures (except the first and second) specifically show the dimensions for the "long" side. be safe Make sure the gap is aligned with the supports and the gap in the drop channels. You're going to have to do some testing and fiddling to find out what works best. here is a link to my how long was the arm after the extension? thank you very much. Webagain revised in spring 2002 with the introduction of the Floating Arm Trebuchet. 8. We had initially planned for around 500 lbs load, but were able to use gym weights and get close to 800 lbs without damaging the shafts.Our design required that we load each weight one at a time onto the weight bar using ladders. Steam Community: Medieval Engineers. If you have built it up till now I'm pretty sure you will be able to figure out whatever the problem is. We are to have a constructed trebuchet and have it prepared to launch on Tuesday, April 23. Use the order of bolts and washers on either side shown in the first picture (From inside to outside the order is) : drop channel, washer, bolt, washer, CW box wall, Washer, bolt, Bolt, washer, wall of CW box, washer, bolt. I simply layed a fairly long board over the diagonal supports in the back, extending out a bit to give support to the sling until it was lifted up into the air. the short arm is the 1 (In the ratio) and the long arm is the 3.5 (in the ratio) -3.5 times longer than the short arm. (1.5875 cm.) I recommend using a pin, then a thick nail, then a screw and finally a pencil to widen the hole for the string. Make sure the axle bolt is short enough to clear the frame easily. A shorter length sling will work better for lighter projectiles, while a longer length will be better for heavier projectiles. 4. So now we're going to add some extra supports that will prevent the 2 ft 1 X 6 from bending, Lateral support and extra track support. 1. Bending denim fabric Remember you need to make two of these. Advertisement By: Nathan Chandler Floating bridges are uncommon in large part because the kinds of situations and environmental criteria for them are unusual. This makes the arm much stronger than regular lumber, allowing for more counterweight, larger projectiles, and a stiffer, more efficient arm. Use plenty of screws as well as resin, gluing and screwing each layer to the next. It cost me about $130 not including the weights. 1 X 6s flex alot. I had to add them later. Tie it so that it hangs about 12 inches (2.55.1 cm) from the top of the arm. Next tape all outside edges so that the perimeter is completely taped. on Introduction. 7 4.5= about 1.6 Measure the amount of space in between the drop channels. [2] The arm then jerks forward and releases the projectile from the sling. Also, the box needs to have a top so the weights don't come flying out when it reaches the bottom of the drop. These should be fairly simple-they're just diagonal pieces. This will take some effort. 4 rectangles of 3/4 inch (1.905 cm) thick wood 9.5 X 5.5 in (0.2413 X 0.1397 m) I'm sure this pouch design could be improved. The Floating Arm Trebuchet. I attached the arm extension to the rest of the arm with some wood pices, dowels and some leftover aluminum channeling. nut, washer, guide block, wheel and bearings (Go together) , guide block, washer, nut. *A few notes: the angles were based off of the sketchup model which had a few errors. Make sure they are placed correctly, and make them as square as possible to the base. These go in the front. Measure the distance from the outside of one track support to the outside of another; do the same at the top. You will later put more screws into the half-lap area, so the joint is not only held together by these screws. Whatever you decide you want to launch with your trebuchet, your counterweight should be from 100 to 133 times the weight of your projectile. Fairly simple trigger design. These are the 2 2 ft. long 2 X 4s. The two bits at the open top of the cut channel..keeps the drop channel from "opening" The arm is split into two parts by the fulcrum. jk. Documentation. about 250 2.5 in. The oddity with this trebuchet is that it has no arm ratio as the counterweight sits at the very end of the arm, and the arm itself tends to be shorter. 5. About: Mechanical Engineer in the machine design industry. 1). again for the threaded rod (8TH picture) Then tape them in place. Attach a 20ft + length of rope to the release mechanism on the door latch. There are two main safety mechanisms: The safety blocks, which prevent the arm from falling, and the second is common sense. Then, we cleared away and removed the safety bars, and fired. Also, get the most straight lumber available for the longer pieces on the frame. I'd guess that for throwing oranges, you'd want to be around 5-6 ft high and an 8ft arm, and maybe 50-100 lbs of weight? The hardest part, really, is getting the angles correct and then cutting them accurately. there are small cracks throughout the trebuchet now because I was lazy. Unfortunately, there were some problems in the sketchup base that I made (and could not be easily corrected) that threw off a couple of measurements. The CW bolt MUSTbe made thicker and stronger, otherwise it will bend and cause problems. ) They're probably correct, I'm just letting you know. The Arm. Try to have all the sizes of your shafts and designs for your trigger and sling release figured out at this stage, as well as how you plan to attach the shafts (welds or flanges, etc). Finally, thread your sling lines through the hole on the outside of the seam to the back, and then through the back to the front. 42. (Should be square to the length of the board, like a crosscut.) Then, drive in the screws. I'd maybe assume 50% efficiency as a conservative estimate for the f2k (it's probably higher), so the initial kinetic energy of the projectile is equal to the gravitational potential energy of the falling counterweight times the efficiency. Drill a 1/4 hole 20" from one end, in the middle of the board, as shown in Fig. I've seen some really nice f2k's that have the wheels jump the gap on a ramp, but that would require much more engineering calculations and dynamic tuning than we had time for. Also, 1 inch thick wood would would be stronger.Hardware 15 in. (Diagonally). I forget what you are supposed to do next Awesome! Cut a piece of steel pipe for an insert and place it at the center of each form, then pour the concrete. But I'll try. When you look at the picture, they are the big, tall, straight pieces. We drilled holes in the upright beams perpendicular to the weight bar, directly below where it would hover when the trebuchet is ready to fire, and stuck a piece of 1" steel bar though on each side. The classic beam ratio for a FAT is 2:1. Alternatively, you could download the sketchup model, highlight the entire thing, scale it down and get the dimensions directly from there. To include the sling, a much more constraint-intensive (5DOF) approach is required. Stick a few inches of tape over that area, making sure you get it on the inside and outside of the seam. (0.635 cm) diameter, 5.5 in. Keep in mind that the rails should be unobstructed, and the gap where the weight bar will go should be small enough that your wheels can easily glide over it. (Safety blocks explained later) I'll write more about this in the improvements step. Use your head before you lose your head. The floating arm trebuchet loses the range advantage over regular trebuchet at very large scales, because the difficulty in construction of the drop channel and axle increases with size. Thanks for your appreciation :D I would love to check out the Medieval Stuff Chucker, but the link to the youtube video doesn't work. 0. WebThe optimal ratio between the long part of the arm and the short part of the arm will depend mainly on the Mass of Weight. Really cool project Brother, thanks for putting together a great instructable. I haven't noticed any cracking with a 1 pound weight being fired at full speed, but a 6 lb weight will exert much more force on the arm because of its higher inertia.. The length of the rope will control what arm angle your sling releases at. Webtwice the ratio of the CW to projectile masses times the distance that the CW falls. After looking at the dozens of picture I took, It should be pretty easy to figure out how to put everything together. Tie a figure 8 knot. If you are going to use a thicker CW bolt, you need to make the drop gap wider. 2 segments of 1 ft., 0.5 in. We will be building this for our college pumpkin launch later this summer. um.. (0.3175 m) long 2 X 4 Use a drill press if you are going to drill one hole because one hole needs to be better aligned than a bunch of smaller ones. Oh, and the arm itself. Width was around 2 feet, I think. simplest step. ALSO, the base boards (I used 1 X 6) should be thickened. Or you could use the angles I give you. If you are going to use a shorter ratio, such as 3.5 : 1, make the short arm pieces shorter. Approx 25 ft. (7.62 m)1/2 braided nylon rope On the arm, drill a hole for an eye bolt, and use a washer on both ends. Look at the pictures to see this; it's kind of hard to explain the placement in words. [5] Friction of the wheel on the arm axle against the glide track should be managed in a similar way. If it's too narrow at the top then the smooshing will happen as they fall closer to the bottom. Just make sure there is a washer on any side of a bolt that will be touching wood. Circuits | Floating Arm Trebuchet : 7 Steps (with Pictures) - Instructables Virtual Trebuchet is a free web based trebuchet simulator. It has two ropes coming off it, one in either direction. This thing is powerful, which is why you need a trigger. I'm going to assume that you are drilling one long hole through all of the short arm pieces. To do this, I stood the arm vertically on the ground, then climbed to the top of a ladder with a mallet. These make up the short arm It is later screwed through the base and through the main track supports. Raise the CW to the top and hold it there with your thigh (raise your leg to support it) and one hand. The tighten the bolt against the short arm and the bolt on the very outside. Projectiles can fly backwards, so keep people and cars AWAY from this area. The principle behind this device is that the counter weight moves only vertically as the arm's axis moves along a horizontal rail on wheels. This will be the finger end of the arm. The cutouts go around the main track supports. WebHow to make a Floating Arm Trebuchet. it's smoother, faster, and prevents grooves from wearing in the wood. on Step 17, Hey, I definitely encourage you to do this! i am building a trebuchet for my physics class. You can cut the gap wider up to a certain pint, but the trigger design might limit the amount you can cut it wider. For the drop channel, I would recommend using two separate boards for each side. Make them small as possible, but make sure they can still guide the arm until its wheels hit the track. To get it in, you need some sort of head on it for the wrench. Ok, now repeat the entire process mentioned above for the "short" side. [2] The projectile can be launched at a high velocity.[6]. Because we are about to cut the tracks in half. (0.635 cm) diameter, 6 in. I don't know what gauge mine was, I found it in the trash Buy one that is at least 4 inches. This could be done other ways, but our method looks really cool. Line them up so that their 1.5 inch edge is adjacent to the edge of the 2 ft 1 X 6, and so that their 3.5 inch edge is on the outside cut edge of the long 1 X 6. I did not have a drill bit long enough to go through all of the 2 x 4s of the short arm, so I had to drill individual holes in each individual 2 X 4 and hoped that they lined up. 1/4" at the very most. Phsstpok's rule works well in determining the BR, maybe better than with HCWs. Place your projectile in the sling. The arm is done. So, This project is not due until sometime in may, but I will be glad to post pictures. You will need the two 2- foot lengths of 1 X 6 and the two 6- foot lengths of the 1 X 6. We built a 1/3 scale model that throws a 1 pound projectiles 340 feet + with 70 pounds of counterweight. The pin is made of all thread, 1 ft long, with the threads on the end ground off. So, if you want them to be the same height, you may need to change the angles or the lengths mentioned here. However, a floating arm trebuchet is more efficient when built to a size of between one meter and five meters,[5] making it suitable for hobbyists and model builders. Tie the longer end of the rope through the hole in the end of the arm. (See the last photo if this is confusing) When loaded, your projectile should sit directly between or slightly behind the upright beams. 6. 23. If you need any more help feel free to let me know, and it would be great to see a picture of the final thing. these will be used in the trigger The main problems would be the extra weight needed to really make the 6 pound weight fly, which would put extra strain on the wheels on the arm and the bolt holding them, the counterweight bolt, the counterweight boxes, the sling, the sling lines and the trigger assembly. It does not matter. (1.8796 m) long 2 X 4 9. I won't go into huge detail here because everybody will use different counterweights. Basically make a box that can contain your counterweights, Otherwise, the counterweights would just stop like the safety makes it do (Second clip in the video in the first step) we didn't use a simulator for the motion. 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