Mr. CORNWELL - Why did you leave the CIA? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have an opinion as to how the Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, you did. I must admit that my own fear of getting involved in the investigation has prevented me from writing you earlier. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have any explanation for why none of these people have come forward with this story? Which seems to be an odd premise, especially since, as Jerry Rose pointed out in his article, Important to Hold that Man there were at least 14 people missing from the building at the time; and they would not return until 1:30 PM. Mr. WILCOTT - Dozens, literally dozens. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Investigations of the CIA in the 1960s and 1970s shows that the agency had embedded agents in a wide variety of organizations and institutions, including labor unions, airlines, college student associations, foundations, law firms, banks, savings and loans, investment firms, travel agencies, police departments, post offices, publishing companies, newspapers, call girl services, and mental health institutions. Apparently, security measures to keep people from talking continued even after they went into retirement or found other occupations. Unknown adversaries tormented Cason so much at his home on Druid Lane, that he was forced to relocate to another part of the city. His father died on November 2, 1990. Copies of my written testimony have disappeared from my personal files. Mr. CORNWELL - Last November? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. PREYER - Thank you very much and we appreciate you and Mr. Schaap being with us today, and the hearing will stand in recess. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you prepare such a list? His information was that he had been unwittingly involved with paying Oswald through a high security clearance, since he worked in the finance office. Years later, I found out that he moved to Austin, Texas, where he began working for the Austin American Statesman in 1979. If they do agree to be interviewed, they are truthful in what they say, except on one particular point: the year when they moved into the building. This would include things like: (1) determining lines of fire from upper story windows, (2) planning the access and escape routes for the sniper team, (3) positioning and controlling the designated patsy as a workman inside the building, (4) fabricating evidence such as rifle, cartridges, and paper bag to implicate the patsy, (5) selecting the so-called snipers nest where the ersatz evidence would be planted. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And your testimony has been truthful and candid? Their apartment looked as if no one had ever lived in it. Mr. CORNWELL - Did you -- at the time you made the decision to discuss outside of the Agency this matter, did you focus on the secrecy oath problem? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. CORNWELL - What did they say along those lines? William Weston examines the curious letters of Elzie Glaze and considers potential connections between the CIA and the Texas School Book Depository. Many notes and gifts, often created by him, are left for us as a tribute to his kindness and love. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Could you give an example of that? Upon exiting the elevator, he saw a short hallway. (3) if there is/was an Alternative Information Network in Austin, or if Kellner and Morrow are real persons and remember receiving the letter. In the work that Oliver Stone has done for his upcoming four-part documentary series on the JFK case, he uncovered information that Truly was not being paid directly through the Texas School Book Depository in 1963. Yet the mere existence of oversized boxes on the premises does not constitute proof of ongoing illegal activities. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Those are discussions with people who gave the indication that there was every certainty that Oswald was an agent of CIA, runout of XXXXXXX Station, and that he was freed from Russia there in the final courses in Russia and was trained by CIA people at Atsugi. He enjoyed giving to others, and loved the companionship of his four dogs. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, is your testimony then that even though. Additional gift options are available when buying one eBook at a time. Joe was unable to determine if the arson was assassination-related. Needless to say, she never did wear that dress. It was only my personal WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 Those generations who were there in 1963 are grateful that people like you are continuing the pursuit and taking another look at events which may have been too shocking for the rest of us to ever fully comprehend. Elzie Dean Glaze passed away on November 15, 2019. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir, early 1964. Mr. SAWYER - What would they say? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I am sorry -- if Oswald was what? [10] Larry Ray Harris at the age of 44 died in an automobile accident on October 5, 1996. Mr. WILCOTT - Jerry Fox was a Case Officer for his branch the Soviet Russia Branch, XXXXXXXXXX Station, who purchased information from the Soviets. The CIA and the JFK Assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, actually even prior to the Kennedy, assassination, my wife and I both became disturbed about the stories that we kept hearing about things, control of newspapers and so on. Try again. I don't recall its origins with clarity, but I think it was given to me by a professor at Southern Methodist University here in Dallas. This was just prior to moving to Langley, in finance, and my duties there were policing accounts, and included auditing of special accounts. The third calm man was probably Wesley Fraizer, who stuck close to Shelley and Lovelady. Having a double life would not have made Shelley unique among the people who worked at the book depository. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. The rationale for these restrictions was to prevent unscrupulous people cajoling them for information or committing hostile acts against them, because of the notoriety Dallas was suffering. Mr. WILCOTT - In 1968. There was XXXXXXXXXXXX Branch, who had XXXXXXXXXXX cover. My testimony included numerous meetings with a man named Bill Shelly (I am no longer certain of the correct spelling of his last name.) Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, it is. time and date of assassination and correspondence with time and date of Wilcott's hearing of assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - My. Mr. WILCOTT - I was able to but I never did. [11] Glaze misdated his letter as 12/12/74.. Mr. SAWYER - What did he do -- anything? He was not questioned by the Warren Commission. Mr. PREYER - Let me interrupt. Governor John Connally and his wife, Nellie, sat in front of them. Shelleys claim that he was an intelligence officer would make sense if, as an ROTC lieutenant, he received intelligence training and perhaps even given some assignments in counterespionage. It was an infantry replacement center as well as a German POW camp. Mr. Wilcott. The first contact I had with any reporter or any newspaper people or any media people was with Glad Day Press. Ruffians driving by yelled derogatory things and threw objects at the house such as half-empty beer cans. The Warren Commission did all they could to delay the arrival time on the first floor by Adams and Styles in order to remove the two girls from the stairs when Oswald would have likely been on them. As mentioned, I was forced to flee Dallas until another day. [23] William Weston, Robert MacNeil and the Three Calm Men, in the November 1994 issue of The Fourth Decade. His first day on the job was October 29, 1945. He asked that a copy of the letter be sent to his homenot to the business addressand after he read it, he would check into it. Mr. WILCOTT - To the best of my recollection, yes. Mar 26, 2017, 6:30:52 PM to The dubious allegations of James Wilcott, a former CIA finance officer who testified before the HSCA in executive session, are still repeated by theorists promoting. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it was my understanding that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the agency and was an agent, of the agency. She & her husband left Dallas shortly afterward. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir; that was a smaller station. When Doug Kellner answered the phone, I described to him the contents of the letter. After leaving high school he might have continued as an intelligence operative working undercover in local defense plants (plural) during the last months of the war. But their manner was very relaxed. Did you want to do this or intend to proceed with that line of questioning? It was dated December 12, 1977,[11] and, at the bottom, it had the authors full name. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. Mr. WILCOTT - They would have summaries of some sort. [7] The Bergins house appeared to be under surveillance and their telephone line seemed to have been tapped. Last modified on Sunday, 10 November 2019 23:45, The JFK Assassination Decoded: Two Reviews, Malcolm X's Family to File $100 Million Wrongful Death Lawsuit, Alleging Cover-up of His Murder, A Personal Encounter with the Warren Commission, JFK Medical Betrayal: Where The Evidence Lies by Russell Kent, Whitney, the Ambassador, and Batista's Tax Break for Freeport Sulphur , The Wilcott Affidavit and Interrogation by the HSCA. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he mentioned the cryptonym specifically under which the money was drawn. Mr. CORNWELL - Perhaps I can rephrase the question and get more pointedly what I need without running into the problem that you see. I spoke to groups in their homes and I spoke to groups in the Peace and Freedom Party and I was with the Peace and Freedom Party for several years. Mr. SAWYER - I noticed in somne of the information we are provided you say that following your leaving the CIA in 1967 or thereabouts, for a period of some three years or so, you were harassed by the CIA and the FBI and sabotaged, as I recollect it. Here, by your own testimony, you were supportive of the President, and certainly the most significant tragedy, I think, probably in the last 15 years or 20 years was the assassination of President Kennedy, and you are told by some who worked for the Agency that Oswald was a CIA agent and you already were dissatisfied with the actions of the Agency and you are told this in 1964 and yet it takes four, years, or two years, after you had left the Agency, recognizing the tremendous import and significance of that, and I am terribly confused as to why you decided to keep that information to yourself and to your wife. JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: -Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? Mr. WILCOTT - My current one that I had on my counter. Mr. DODD - I have no further questions. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What were these people's names? Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir; he was described to me as an, agent and I was led to believe, from the conversations that he was an agent. For details, please see the Terms & Conditions associated with these promotions. Enclosing the back area is a high, chain-link fence with coils of barbed wire on top. Mae Brussell showed copies of this document to the editors of Globe. If it is true that Shelley was affiliated in some way with CIA or U.S. intelligence, that would be a disturbing and potentially significant development.[10]. For in Barry Ernests book, The Girl on the Stairs, the reader will read that both Vickie Adams and Sandy Styles told Barry that they did not see either Shelly or Lovelady when they descended from the fourth floor to the first. . Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. It achieved commercial success in 1970 with a hit song called "Mr. Bojangles. In 1992, the band was still active, touring the country and recording albums. Mr. GOLDSMITH - As a matter of routine, there would be that reference? anyone? He saw two white men sitting by the stairs. He was an accomplished journalist and author and had worked as a radio engineer in his early career. In the new 2017 November release of JFK documents, he was interviewed in executive session under oath by the House Select Committee On Assassinations on March 22,1978. As far as I know, the unknown Dallas author who interviewed has not published his book. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true. Mr. DODD - In 1957? (SIG) in CIA Counterintelligence held a 201 file on Oswald in the three years prior to JFK's assassination. Out of curiosity, he opened this door and saw a large storage area that took over half of the square footage of the fourth floor. My efforts to follow up on the leads suggested by Harris were initially unsuccessful. Mr. PREYER - Under our committee rules, Mr. Wilcott, a witness is entitled, at the conclusion of the questioning, to make a five-minute statement if he wishes or to give a fuller explanation of any of his answers; so that at this time we make that five minutes available to you if you care to elaborate or say anything further. Mr. WILCOTT - It was a book that I had. James Wilcott worked out of the Tokyo CIA station at the time of the assassination. (National Archives, RG 272) No other event of the last 75 . For many years he assisted organizations that helped veterans, monitored the nuclear power industry, and worked to ensure basic human rights. When Joe entered the building, he took a recently installed passenger elevator to the fourth floor. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many months after the assassination was this? Told to report to base by the tower. Two men, who identified themselves (with I.D.) Mr. GOLDSMITH - Well, if I understand your correctly, then, you answer now was somewhat different from what you testified earlier. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, does that mean you were able to check back only thirty days from the time that you were given this information? Mr. DODD - You may have covered this as well, Mr. Chairman, and, if you have, I will drop the question. By comparing the window next to them, which measured 14 inches off the floor, one box was about 15 x 30 x 60 inches, and thus had an estimated capacity of 15 cubic feet. Mr. WILCOTT - I worked from the years, May, of 1957 to, April, of 1966. Considering the noise of gun blasts and the uproar going on outside, it is odd that Oswald continued to be unconcerned. [9] Carolyn Arnold statement in Byrd/TSBD Concerns posted by Martin Barkley on May 24, 2000 on the JFK Today website. I was really scared to go to the Government and talk about any of these things. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why did you wait five years? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, did I ask you to prepare a list of CIA Case Officers working at XXXXXXXXX Station in 1963? All visits to the building must be strictly business-related. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And how did that come to your attention: Wilcotts affidavit and deposition were declassified by the ARRB. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is that opinion? Larry Watanabi, XXXXXX Branch, Senior Case Officer; and XXXXXXXXXXX, deep commercial cover agent. Mr. SAWYER - What were they? Mr. PREYER - Thank you for being here today, and I will call the subcommittee to order at this time. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So that they would be routinely destroyed at the time of auditing? I made my call and left. I was up to my neck before I realized it. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Very generally now, what were your responsibilities as a finance employee with the agency? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, with the Agency, yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. CORNWELL - You had signed a secrecy oath while you were employed with the Agency? Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct, sir. They were co-hosts of a program called Alternative Views featuring news, interviews, and opinion pieces from a progressive point of view. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Only of Case Officers. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon, includes free international wireless delivery via. On November 22, 1963, there were sixty-nine people working in the building at 411 Elm Streetthirty-three for the TSBD and forty-six for the publishers. The owner of the establishment, rightwing oil man, D. H. Byrd would have had little problem approving that kind of clearance. Mr. DODD - You liked him? Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you discuss it with anyone? Last modified on Tuesday, 21 April 2020 03:08, The JFK Assassination Decoded: Two Reviews, Malcolm X's Family to File $100 Million Wrongful Death Lawsuit, Alleging Cover-up of His Murder, A Personal Encounter with the Warren Commission, JFK Medical Betrayal: Where The Evidence Lies by Russell Kent, The CIA and the Texas School Book Depository. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. CIA finance officer James Wilcott said, Several different individuals or firms in Dallas had been involved in one way or another with acting as cut-outs for arms shipments to Cuban exiles for the invasion. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And for purposes of clarification, now, if Oswald was already dead at the time that you went to this book, why did you go back to examine the book? Mr. WILCOTT - No. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - No; I think that I looked through my advance book -- and I had a book where the advances on projects were run, and I leafed through them, and I must have at least leafed through them to see if what he said was true. I called the number of the Avalanche Journal in Lubbock, Texas and got the personnel director. It doesn't have every one. Mr. GOLDSMITH - But as a matter of routine, would the CIA cash disbursement files refer to the cryptonym of either the person or the project that is receiving funds? Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many people from the CIA did you speak to who speculated that Oswald was an agent? House of Representatives, John F. Kennedy Subcommittee of the Select Committee on Assassinations, Washington, D. C. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you remember anything about it? Mr. DODD - When you were told all of this? Mr. WILCOTT - I was afraid quite frankly. Mr. WILCOTT - When I first started speaking, both my wife and I discussed it and we felt that we should be speaking out about not only Oswald but some other things. His mother was a strong, confident woman before the assassination, but afterwards she suffered a complete breakdown in her health and had to be hospitalized. The day after, perhaps, two or three weeks after, the kind of talk was that CIA was somehow connected. Three of the seven boxes appear in a photograph in his book. There is an interesting paradox about this issue. Mr. PREYER - The Committee will resume. Mr. WILCOTT - My wife and I came to believe that what CIA was doing couldn't be reconciled to basic principles of democracy or basic principles of humanism. In 1984, they began sending tapes of their programs to public access channels in Dallas and San Antonio and then to other cities around the country, hence the name of the umbrella organization, the Alternative Information Network. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you prepare such a list? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. John F. Kennedy Subcommittee Mr. GOLDSMITH - I am not sure that that is responsive. Below is an excerpt from Harriss letter dated December 15, 1992: Enclosed is the Bill Shelley document I read to you over the phone. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it is your testimony that, once you left the XXXXXXXX station, people, both at headquarters, in Langley, and at the Miami Station, made references to Oswald being an agent, is that correct? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he was. At the time he visited the place, Scott Foresman was gone, and a carpet company was occupying the building. Mr. SCHAAP - Excuse me. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I am not saying that. Mr. WILCOTT - -- to the Miami Station. Near the two freight elevators were Shelley and co-worker Billy Lovelady. ", That was the kind of things that people said. Mr. WILCOTT - Very briefly it did, yes, in what was finally published. [5] Examination of city directories and phone books in the Dallas Public Library shows that the book depository and the publishing companies did not have the 411 Elm Street address until 1963. All I remember is that her husband was previously a member of the musical group The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. She didnt show up for work the next day and didnt pick up her final paycheck. Truly notified Police Captain Will Fritz, who immediately thought that it was "important to hold that man.[29] What makes this even more interesting is the following new information. His desire to tell what he knew overcame his fear at least twice in his life. It could be a hoax, but sounds sincere. Considering the far-reaching extent of control over so many occupations in American society, the CIA could very well have infiltrated the schoolbook depositories and their associated publishers. According to former CIA finance officer James B. Wilcott's testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), Lee Harvey Oswald "was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work, for doing CIA operational work." Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, you indicated that after receiving this information concerning Oswald's cryptonym, you went back to check some files, is that correct? ", and they might look it over and retype the accounting for funds for their project and, you know, make changes that they might think were in their interest to do. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir, I did not. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. On October 5, 1986, Elsie Wilcott died of cancer. I had been involved at one point with a group civil rights group, and they had investigated it and said that there was no wrongdoing on my part as far a this association with the civil rights group. From April of 1965 to April of 1966, I was at Miami Station in finance, and I was handling the staff payroll. Mr. WILCOTT - I heard references to it the day after, the assassination. Mr. PREYER - I understand this might be a good place for us to break and go and vote, so that we will take another recess for about ten minutes. Mr. CORNWELL - I have no further questions. this allegation? Mr. GOLDSMITH - If the agency, in fact, was run on the "need-to-know" basis, how would you account for so many people supposedly knowing that Oswald was an agent? As many JFK researchers know, James Wilcott was a CIA accountant from May 1957 through April 1966. A huge cast of suspects. Mr. SAWYER - It went through the XXXXXXX station? But in the light of the information in this essay, it seems interesting that it was Shelly and Truly who took the name of Oswald to the police. The other one was the Lone Star School Book Depository, also located in the city of Dallas. Mr. DODD - When did you leave to go back? For example, Joes father had to clear visitors with Roy Truly, the building manager, even though they were top executives from the company headquarters in Chicago. Carolyn Walther, a street spectator waiting to see the presidents motorcade, observed a two-man sniper team at a window on the fifth floor on the far-right side of the building. Their whereabouts are completely unknown. Joe Molina, credit manager for the book depository since 1947, worked with FBI informer William Lowery in infiltrating leftist organizations. In 1938, he became a salesman for Scott Foresman. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I take it, from your testimony, that in November of 1963, you were stationed in XXXXXXXXXXXXX Station, is that correct? Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. Mr. WILCOTT - Or perhaps January. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Can you give the Committee the names of any persons who might corroborate your allegation? (At this time the school book depository had been relocated to a warehouse near the intersection of Royal Lane and Interstate 35.). Mr. DODD - And you and your wife both went to work for the CIA about the same time? One man had blonde or light-brown hair, wore a white shirt, and was armed with a rifle. I next called John Peets, the manager of the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. [20] Before going up the stairs, Truly paused to tell Shelley to guard the stairs and elevators to make sure no one uses them.[21]. Mr. CORNWELL - When this cryptonym was given to you by the officer, did any part of it ring any familiar note with you? James Wilcott worked out of the Tokyo CIA station at the time of the assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - Approximately two years, sir. Mr. SAWYER - Who is the public safety commissioner? Mr. WILCOTT - It has been 15 years, and I can't remember specifically who said what, but certainly I am sure that Jerry Fox, for instance, had at least made some mention of it. Mr. WILCOTT - No. Mr. WILCOTT - On two other occasions, I was on KPOO Radio in San Francisco and I discussed in detail, in quite a bit of detail, the speculations and also the incident of the case officer contacting me at the window. Finally, under threats and intense harassment from Dallas Police, I was forced to flee Dallas in early 1975. During the period, it was unvouchered funds, and my duties were general accounting, and my rate in status was GS-5. And we thought every year it was going to be coming out, and especially I didn't think that -- since what I had heard was all hearsay that I would never have seen Oswald or anything like that -- this is not the kind of thing that would be used for even something like the Warren Commission, and they would have to have something more substantial than that to go on, aside from the fact that I never would have done it in the CIA, being a very risky thing to do with the CIA. 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