Yes, we agree that Jesus had the power to heal and that His healing was a combination of compassion for those who suffered and a declaration of His identity as Messiah. 2) Healing is only accomplished through faith. However: if Furtick is right, who are we showing Gods nature to? The question is whether youre willing to reassess what you think about people like Furtick not in light of what I say, but in light of what God has said. Im very comfortable with that. I always wonder what they do with the verses about Jesusbaptism where all three members of the Trinity are present at one time. He causes the sun to shine and the rain to fall on the righteous and unrighteous alike. Thank you for all you have written. I think its important, on several levels. Seems like a pretty big deal. The Bible is full of examples to the contrary. You will receive a receipt via mail and email once your donation has been processed. The helpful information isnt the problem, of course. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. Your email address will not be published. The question is not whether anyone can be saved at Elevation Church. Ive removed the link you provided, in case any would be tempted to go and listen to him. He and his wife have three children. If you cant learn how to believe and stand on the word of God and believe that youre healed before you see it, then the majority of you are not ever gonna see the physical manifestation. Maybe I am just missing it. We are talking about Furtick as a teacher and his interpretation of Matthew 13:58, yet Matthew Henry is a teacher, and said the very same thing, will you draw him into this category too? There are too many to list like this, showing that there was a two fold ministry, of both his revealed power and his response to faith. This belief isnt like saying that children should be baptized, or like thinking that Christians would be better off being kosher. Were he to address the issue and clarify that hes biblically trinitarian and not a modalist in any sense, we would all be sure of what he means. If you just read the website, you might think hes right on track right? The Trinity of God is like man being a spirit having a soul and living in body. In Mark 10:46-52, Jesus said to the eagerly awaiting, to be healed, blind man, Go, your faith has healed (sozo) you. These are just examples showing not only how he worked individually, but also how he worked in mass. Its also a heresy known as panentheism. The disclaimer especially. What does the text say? However: teaching that Moses is I Am goes too far. Thanks for trying to help. You, or the writers of Scripture? A Baptist pastor. If oneness doctrine is true, why make any distinction at all? . No to angels and demons? Elevation pastor is not wrong at all Furtick used the word could in Matthew 13:58, yet you said it was heresy, now here the same word could is also used. If so, we should probably talk about that. We would be saying what Scripture itself does not say, and we should avoid that. I think you all foolish jealous that God can use a young man to reach and touch a younger generation-A godly man will alway get rebutted -shepherd boy David was constantly rejected yet he had heart after God -God see the heart of man so say you everything you want at least pastor Steve is not like Jimmy Swaggers a A womanizer or like Jim jones all these preacher that were manipulators of and womanizersGod said you know then by their fruit! His birth sign is Pisces. Thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning. On that, modalists agree with the Bible. But I dont want to follow a false teacher. God is not limited by creation, but is above creation, transcends creation. My second suggestion is that Christians should be strategic about these things. Im curious. Why? This is pretty basic, and every Word of Faith teacher including Steven Furtick does it. He committed to going back to the 50+ churches on his district and letting them know not how he had failed, but how he missed the opportunity to do better. Furtick, Steven (2012). Theres a gigantic difference between Jesus not doing many miracles because of their unbelief and Jesus being unable to exercise Gods power because He was entirely powerless to do so. Especially when you can see the iron (microscopic amounts) from one transferring to the other. No, Im not aware of him teaching on sin and repentance. Part of the problem is that we humans are too often lazy, impulsive, greedy, self-absorbed, and pleasure-seeking. This makes the morality of God relative to each situation, rather than a universal truth. "I love my calling.". When we elevate people who lead others astray whether accidentally or by false teaching we risk the lives of our friends and family, both now and into eternity. Multnomah Books. No, its simple as hearing; In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13.These scripture tell us God uses faith, as faith is action, or acting on after that you heard the word of truth. I dont want to write about false teachers, my friend. Can You Go to Heaven if You're Not Baptized? From my perspective, the only possible way that this would NOT be deceptive and manipulative is if the volunteers stayed in their seats until Furtick (or some other leader) asked the volunteers to get up and take their positions to help those who sincerely wanted to be baptized. Word of Faith teachers typically demote God and limit Him in ways that dont match Scripture. Narcigesis is a new word. The false teaching is the one that contradicts Gods own words when HE said that He is the only God, and when as the Son, He said that He (the Son/Word) and the Father are ONE (heis : one in ESSENCE) I dont know enough about Furtick to know whether he is preaching/teaching the heresy re what you speak creates your reality (a synergistic new age teaching brought into the church by quite a few false teachers of the NAR crowd who are spreading that teaching and building churches all over the US and probably around the world the Declaration statement may indicate this is in his mind if not his teaching but we can only know what he speaks out of his mouth directly) but Modalism is not false. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Ephesians 3:18-20. It literally means He came out from my inside the Father. Its not always wrong or bad, but its a good way to run into trouble. In Scripture, God can do whatever He wishes. Furtick is the proud son of Larry Stevens Furtick (father) and Faith Furtick (mother). God becomes a lawbreaker in order to save lawbreakers from His own Law, putting God in conflict with Himself. Bottom line, Jesus was not pleased, and was unable to do many miracles there because of their disbelief. If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Women received their dead raised to life again. Verses 33-35. Right, they can go hear Wommack themselves and learn how, God is able to do exceeding abundantly but it is according to the power that works in us,.. just as Jesus spoke to this, when he told the woman who had touched the hem of his garment (or tassels) and was healed, yet, while she being under threat for breaking the law (Leviticus 15:19), not only could she not ask him to heal her, she was not even allowed to touch him, or even be there in the crowd. Joe. Why say that He AND the Father would indwell us, rather than simply saying I? Paul, you say, needed to be humbled. Making the claim as if its self-evidently true is a mistake, and not how we should handle Scripture. That says more than anything you or I can say. Elevation Church broadcasts live every weekend and on demand throughout the week on ElevationChurch.online Join us Sundays at 9:30AM, 11:30AM, 2:00PM, 5:00PM, 8:00PM, & 10:00PM ET Learn More Featured Offer My question is about Elevation music do you think we ought to sing their songs at home or in church? God can and does use faithful people, unfaithful people, and even wicked people for His own purposes. There's also the cool factor, stoked by a marketing-savvy Elevation staff of flip-flop-and-T-shirt-wearing twentysomethings. Truly, thats implied throughout both the Old Testament and the New Testament and its one of the ways we know which teachings are true and which are false. He holds a master of divinity degree from Southern . Im not making a mountain out of a molehill here, Thomas. Thanks for catching my mistake, Stegman! Oneness has God interacting with Himself, as if He were three separate people. Ill ask you straight out: do you believe that your own lack of faith in God PREVENTS HIM from anything at all? He was unable to do many miracles there because of their disbelief. And PHILLIPS The claim that there is one God is biblically accurate. Apparently, in his own words, Steven Furtick does. Why did he always point seekers to the Father? But as for, thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? Ive added a link at the bottom (in the Notes section) to a video where Furtick calls Meyer the greatest Bible teacher alive today. I really appreciate your conclusion as it shows compassion and love. Minor? Even those who receive the gospel with joy may fall away. Now I pay attention more to the words spoken by pastors and dont just take everything they say as being true. I hear you, about it being tough to move on from what weve been taught especially from a young age. God only has One intelligence, and that intelligence is HIMSELF. Found this quote in an article supposedly from T.D. We began to suffer from the pain of our loss, and although we did give birth to two healthy children, our marriage ended in divorce. New to your work. While this, by itself, is not necessary heretical, its silly. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christs power may rest on me (2 Corinthians 12:9) Steven attended and graduated from Berkeley High School in his hometown of Moncks Corner, S.C. Having said that, great reading. Gamaliel didnt know whether this new sect of Jesus-followers was from God or not. I cant find your name or any information on you. Why dont you take this seriously, Esther? Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. He even has a degree from my alma materThe Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Its NOT a definitive answer. When you find where God wants you, it will be satisfying and rewarding and frustrating and youll need patience and grace and perseverance because the church is filled with broken people who are in the middle of being put back together. The issue of Furticks misquotation and conclusions about the text isnt the biggest issue, but it does point to a common problem for him and other false teachers: they feel comfortable saying what the Bible doesnt say. Start Smaller. Its the denial that the Father, Son, and Spirit are three distinct persons. Have a great day! Id say no but recommending Elevations music really is recommending Elevation. This is an ancient heresy that has been condemned throughout church history. Unless we can become so unified that we actually indwell one another, I would suggest a less mystical reading of John 17. I am changing forms. Those are your only options. Fodder for another discussion, maybe. No, think using the word could in Matthew 13:58 is not as heretical as you make it, since it is used here in Mark 6:5,6 in relation to lack of faith, for any reason. Rather than being God, Jesus to them is a created being. Give him time to think about what hes telling you, to review it in his mind. Whats the conclusion? But, remember that everything we receive of God is by faith (Romans 5:2), through faith (Ephesians 2:8), as we know, without faith it is impossible to please Godand Matthew 13:58 is indicative of this. Im not providing examples here, but a warning to watch out for it. In other words, once we understand the term God, even within the phrase there is ONLY one God, means a single entity comprised of three persons, the simplest aspect of the Trinity isnt so difficult. As his young flock streamed into the auditorium of Providence High School in Charlotte, N.C., one Sunday morning last month, the Rev. This is wrong, per Romans 14 and I would suggest that its often actually sin. Nothing He could have done would have made them believe, for they had hardened their hearts against the revelation that they had enjoyed. As for helping your father, that can be tough. Jesus Himself said that HE and the Father would indwell us. Right? As apologists it can be tough not to throw stones when we see raw contradictions to scriptures. According to Furtick, Jesus had the ability and the desire to do more, but the power of God was trapped in their perspective.. In my opinion when labeling a man a false teacher we are inevitably questioning their salvation , whether we admit it or not. Steven Furtick Ministries is a ministry of Elevation Church, a non-profit 501 (c) (3) corporation, and all gifts are tax-deductible as allowed by law. 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